https://psblab.org/?p=618 Be aware of unattributed or untraceable testimonials which can be just as unreliable as Amazon reviews. Calling it a study is a real stretch, and the word controlled was used loosely. Fatigue is among my three most disabling symptoms. Oxaloacetate 500mg amzn_assoc_bg_color = "FFFFFF"; The information found on Health Rising is mostly put together by people with ME/CFS and/or FM. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030. Sometimes I cant sleep for 3 days. My health declined and I was on the couch most of the day with the flulike exhaustion, about a 30% level. Here some indication from basic research: Hes also working with a company to do the metabolomics needed to assess oxaloacetate levels before and after supplementation. He shipped bottles of supplement for free and an additional supply (if desired) after the study was done. ). . More also appears to be better with this supplement: the response appears to increase with the dose. I am housebound with ME, bedbound during relapses. It is true that oxaloacetate is present in the Krebs energy cycle. I began my practice during the very earliest days of the HIV epidemic so I became deeply involved in the care of these patients, the politics of HIV medicine, hospital policy (and politics!! Whoa! A prescription is not required to purchase a medical food, but its use must be overseen by a doctor, who will help set dosages. In order to assess PEM, though, you need a validated instrument. Shit is still shit no matter how it is packaged. I am still confused.. Within a week of restarting them, I had regained my functioning level. So my energy increase could have been the expected result of recovery from major surgery as well as a benefit of the operation. I continue to be amazed by the information you present to us Cort. Thanks for that clarification! In his talk Kaufman noted the lack of healthy controls and called for a larger placebo-controlled study to be done. Subscribe To Health Risings Free Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia Information, HEALTH RISING IS NOT A 501 (c) 3 NON-PROFIT. I have gone through two bouts of Viral Meningitis, which IS caused by Fibromyalgia. When oxaloacetate (OAA) is reduced to malate, it generates NAD+, which plays a role in many cellular processes. The information collected by Google Analytics about usage of our website is not personally identifiable. Its notable that the only evidence Alan Cash shows for an effect of OAA on NAD+/NADH levels comes from isolated mitochondrial studies in the 1960s, where of course the cell membrane is not present. I learned about this after getting results back from the GPL Organic Acids Test done twice, years apart. Have to be careful though. For me, Ill stand on Dr. Kaufmans experience until something otherwise is proven. . (Its advertised as a PMS/mood supplement.). 82. amzn_assoc_height = 250;
We in the ME/CFS community need to educate ourselves on what constitutes a good scientific study of a supplement or drug, because in our desperation, we become vulnerable to hucksters, including those that wordsmith things like studied in Alzheimers, cancer, etc., etc., or patented. At least one of Mr. Cashs companies, Terra, pushing enol-oxaloacetate, have been warned previously for unsubstantiated claims, so are closely wordsmithing their product now as a medical food and trying to legitimize it, but still making suggestions that are, when we read them through our desire for any improvement, claims. His office accepts new patients and telehealth appointments. Dr. David J. Kaufman is a Orthopedist in Lake Forest, IL. how much of each b) how long until you got noticeable effect c) what aspects/symptoms were most improved d) where do you buy the mitachrome version ? He is affiliated with Saint Joseph Hospital. I decided to assume it was for the capsule since thats clearly marked on the front of the bottle and took 1000mg of capsules (400mg oxaloacetate) twice a day for two weeks. David Kaufman, M.D. That cost around $200 from Amazon. Increases in well-being are being reported as well, and side effects are rare (a rarity in ME/CFS). amzn_assoc_search_type = "search_widget";
C. The product they are testing is 250mg per capsule with no additional ingredients. Total wait time (waiting and exam rooms) - minutes 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60, How well provider explains medical condition(s), How well provider listens and answers questions, Spends appropriate amount of time with patients. Me too, I get no benefit from mitochondrial supplements. [2] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/jnc.13509. This is a play for huge profit based on questionable science, pure and simple. That was my impression. Somehow missed reading this post until after posting about your 500mg Benagene product (and quoting the email you sent me last Friday). We love him for his decades of experience with infectious disease, Lyme, MCAS and all things internal medicine. With his sudden departure, I was shuffled off to a Nurse Practitioner for a Psychiatrist. (Thermally Stabilized Oxaloacetic Acid) Good luck! BeneGene is also selling a version of OAA in the same formula as Jubilance (100 mg OAA &150 mg ascorbic acid per capsule, 30 caps per bottle). Do your research. thank you everyone for sharing your resources. Kaufman used Jubilance which has 100 mg OAA and 150 mg Vit C. Does the 1000 mgs 3 xs a day mean 1000 mgs of OAA or 1000 mgs of the pills OAA comes in. This is an expensive supplement at the doses mentioned in the article but looks like its worth a try. On the verge of retiring, and it shows. Anyone interested in going halves on a kilo? An estimated 25% of those suffering from ME are housebound or bedbound. Acetate + oxalate would be oxaloacetate, but I havent found anything that says that reaction takes place. The tight, strangling feeling in my legs is gone for short walks. Dose appears to matter. Not using controls, especially in this situation, is lazy at best fraudulent at worse. On the Jubilance website, there is a banner at the top of the page asking if you are looking for oxaloacetate for me-cfs, to click on a link that takes you to this page: The Chalder Scale looks like it mainly captures drowsiness or lethargy, something I dont associate with ME/CFS at all. I wonder if taking it rectally would reduce the amount you gave to take hence making it cheaper. I would be wary of concluding much from small trials like this but they play a crucial role in moving ME/CFS forward because they pave the way for the bigger, more rigorous trials. I can count the number of instances where a doctor has done something like this on the fingers of one hand. (where it might be seen that, for example, until blood pH hits a certain point, or some other point is reached, before the good effect starts), great to hear potential good news.. for the more good potentials, hopefully some will pan out and be successful. Then after a flu, she developed ME/CFS and never recovered. The data is collected anonymously, stored by Google and used by us to create reports about website usage. Does one capsule contain 250 mg or 500 mg of oxaloacetate? Not a happy story there. It has bottles of 90 capsules at 1000 mg for $499. Its incredible to observe these changes and we are excited to see how this develops! I would love to be able to get out of the house and use my electric wheelchair again. Even in the latest study using Dr. Kaufmans clients, Mr. Cash uses the word anecdotally to describe results in the abstract, to avoid making a claim. This page was last edited on November 30, 2022, at 08:01. "We are witnessing a post-pandemic chronic fatigue syndrome event," Dr. David Kaufman of the Center for Complex Diseases in Mountain View told New York health officials in 2020. that 45 capsule bottle will last 7 days if i take 1000mg 3x a day. In my personal experience, my pain medication was lowered to a barbaricly low dose. Now what??? I just hope this association with Terrabiologica does not become dominated by their agenda. I understand the desire to have everything buttoned up but the reality is that this is a small field that get little funding. This complex disease has challenged . Discussion: benaGene contains the first (and patented) thermally stabilized oxaloacetate, a key intermediate in the Krebs Cycle which is involved in cellular energy production. The code doesnt work if you try to order just a single bottle-has to be the recurring shipments. Kaufman was the doctor who enabled Jeff to break the craniocervical instability (CCI) issue in ME/CFS. We cant moan about the poor science in PACE and then jump on every little shitty experiment that offers us hope simply because it offers a positive result. All in all I really dont know if this info will pan out, but the gut flora products need to be accounted for in order to fully understand our biology. MetVital is another Cash company pushing the same uber-expensive supplement. A study that is underway in long COVID should help tell us what is what about that disease and hopefully well have one in ME/CFS that gives us some really solid data. Google Analytics generates statistical and other information about website usage by means of cookies, which are stored on users computers. Currently there are about one million people with CFS/ME in the United States. At this dose, I can say that oxaloacetate has been extremely helpful for me, and it is definitely one of the most effective drugs I take. Some people showed very dramatic reductions in fatigue by as much as 80%. Hopefully we will get a good trial and then well see if that makes any difference with price or insurance company reimbursement. They have a Facebook page as well so u can call them with questions anytime. Fatigue interferes with my physical functioning. I just ordered the way you suggested. From MEpedia, a crowd-sourced encyclopedia of ME and CFS science and history, An open letter to The Lancet, again - Virology blog, Open Letter to Netflix Regarding the 'Afflicted' Docuseries, Diagnosis and Management of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, "Dr David Kaufman is back in clinic! It has made a real positive difference in my health, and I hope it is made available to everyone at a reasonable cost. My dysautonomia medications so far provide the largest and most obvious benefit. However, I looked into it and found this article. Does not seem to keep up with medical developments. Im based in the uk and have just bought a bottle at huge expense. According to ChEBI, oxaloacetate has the IUPAC name of 2-oxobutanedioate. Caveat: please check my arithmetic for yourself! Barnum was timelessly right? Oxaloacetate CFS benaGene. Does it prove P.T. It is sooo helpful. 1. Two enzymes, isocitrate lyase (ICL) and malate synthase, found in bacteria & fungi but not in animals are needed. It is not one single entity. It seems to me that either he is devoid of them entirely or his head is so far up his own ass that they just are not on his radar. My friend just received her supply which is Is anyone using the product from http://ME-CFS.info successfully? The pain is crippling, but was manageable with Pain Medication, muscle relaxants, antidepressants and a benzodiazepine for over 25 years. I would characterize her case as moderate to severe. Medical Marijuana is not the answer for many patients. The source on eBay seems to be about as expensive when shipping costs are included. amzn_assoc_ad_type = "responsive_search_widget";
It would also seem [2,3] that oral oxaloacetate at 200mg doesnt get into the blood. Overview Insurance Ratings. Kaufman hopes to get funding to do a placebo-controlled trial. The same thing is happening to me. Kaufman recently discharged many of the more stable ME/CFS patients in his careStoops among themso that he could start seeing COVID long-haulers who "were just making the circuit of doctors. I participated in Dr. Ks trial, but my source of the supplement was not Jubilance. Endpoint results were withheld. The PROMIS fatigue score was developed for rheumatoid arthritis and has gone through various iterations, including one created specifically for fibromyalgia. 2000mg of Vitamin C is the maximum safe daily dose. Could you elaborate a) what exact dosing did you use of your combination i.e. Its not working as they know it to because the underlying physiology has changed (and they are unaware of this). I guess this is as good as any a place to mention The price is steep, though: $499/bottle! I know that Ive experienced 5 of the 7 symptoms listed. I noted one of your posters already had to restructure his finances to afford the supplement, and this with no guarantee of efficacy. More on the cerebellum https://www.medicinenet.com/what_is_the_main_function_of_the_cerebellum/article.htm Read What are the signs and symptoms of a cerebellar disorder? and I think youll find many similarities in symptoms. Kaufman said many are continuing to do their surveys 6 months later. He is an internationally known go-to-guy for CFS/ME (chronic fatigue syndrome/ myalgic encephalomyelitis). Normally, glyoxylate is formed in the mitochondria and mostly further converted in there. I should also add that it would seem that oral oxaloacetate at 200mg doesnt get into the blood. Its not clear why the scores should differ so much, but Dr. Kaufman believes that the Chalder Fatigue Scale, the only one developed for ME/CFS, is probably the most accurate. Please I was on fentanyl patches. West Mifflin, PA 15122. There was another one on the past whose name I forgot. https://benagene.com/product/oxaloacetate-cfs-90-count-bottle Both Dr. Kaufman and the manufacturer refer to the doses in a way that implies that the capsules contain 500 mg of oxaloacetate. would be great if somehow there was a large package pricing deal. Would sending an email to reputed brands like NOW Foods and Doctors Best requesting them to manufacture this supplement help? Treatment with Medical Marijuana was attempted twice. I am now, simply Collateral Damage. Its available here: https://benagene.com/benagene-shop. I am taking both the benagene and mitachrome versions because the benagene seems more potent but costs twice as much. He maintains a general neurosurgery practice with an emphasis on treating degenerative disorders of the spine and traumatic injuries of the brain and spine. Finally, the experiment is bullshit. Is that right? You can purchase oxaloacetate online, but its very expensive probably around $5-600 a month at the higher, more effective doses. This sounds like a great idea actually. He was patient, knowledgeable, and kind. There are many variables that could be involved. Lets hope this pans out as beneficial to ME/CFS patients in a double blind study and that the cost of this supplement comes down. Time will hopefully tell how well oxaloacetate works in ME/CFS. Visit RateMDs for Dr. Tomas Kaufman reviews, contact info, practice history, affiliated hospitals & more. Woke me up like no amount of coffee did, etc. Tnx in advance, Massimo. Thanks for your time, Your email address will not be published. Secondly, even if you could get the OAA across cell membranes and into cells the proposed mechanism of action makes no sense at all. This one looks cheaper but I am not sure if it is food grade. Oxaloacetate is marketed under brand names other than Jubilance. Try and put yourself in Kaufmans shoes. Is ME/CFS Having A Moment? To that end, hes contacted metabolomics researchers to attempt to determine OAA levels before and after supplementation before the trial and is trying to get funding. I am now facing a very bleak future, due to the misuse of opioids for recreation. It will consist of 40 patients taking 500 mg 2xs/day. More ratings for Dr. Dalp-Charron Benagene also has an Oxaloacetate CFS product where the capsules are 500mg of just OAA NO vitamin C at all. First, there are abundant examples of deficiencies that cannot be correct by direct supplementation. The World Health Organization (WHO) classifies ME as a neurological disease. But, the answer may not be what the vendor was hoping for. After reading extensively about possible treatments, my Neurologist/Pain Specialist readily agreed to try a 5mg, therapeutic dose of prednisone. The problem was never prescription Oxycontin, which does not produce a euphoric effect, and contains fillers to prevent crushing or chewing. As is often the case with the murky waters of poorly-regulated dietary supplements are a number of shortcomings with the actual underlying scientific evidence for OAAs effects. amzn_assoc_region = "US";
This page has been accessed 13,887 times. Psychiatrists are not qualified to deal with neurological or immunological disorders. The coupon site Honey has a promo code for the Jubilance site. They should not have any involvement in a future trial if its to be credible. I just posted a link in my post at the (current) end of this thread. Martin Shkreli did this very thing with low volume FDA-approved drugs for orphan diseases. while it seems dose dependant, i wonder if there is a possibility that the higher dose somehow stayed in the bloodstream longer, so that trialing a sustained time release may mean the dose can be decreased. I dont have any idea about the biochemistry. Wired and tired is a much more common experience than drowsiness, for me. Thanks Diane it looks like this company has offices worldwide. It is the only alternative source that I can find that might sell to individuals. If it does prove to be a game changer, then maybe we all can organize some sort of buyers club.. Brent, have you noticed any difference in your health since taking this supplement? I saw would be game if we can get 5-10 people The placebo effect and our biases can be powerful. Im starting to let myself get excited. Included among his many positions are Chief HIV Specialist and Medical Consultant, Clinical Care and Program Development for HIV and HCV Disease, Daytop Village from 1995-2009; Medical Director, Family HealthCenter, St. Vincent's Midtown Hospital, 2002-2007; Associate Director, HIV Center, St. Vincent's Hospital, Manhattan, Aug 13, 2007-April 30, 2010; Chair, AIDS . These men saved my life. David Lyons Kaufman, MD, is an Internal Medicine physician at the Center for Complex Diseases and the former Medical Director of the Open Medicine Institute, Mountain View, California. https://lessflexible.com/treatment-that-works, Way before her, decades ago, patient zero for ascorbic acid: What will it take suckers, illegal drug use ?? This was caused by all of our previous inflammation in the body, that oxaloacetate reduces significantly. Often, we think of tautomers as being rapidly interconverted, but there is an Enzyme Commission number assigned to the tautomerization of OAA (5.3.2.2.) To do a 2-week trial at this dose, you would need 9 bottles at a cost of $441. All it proved was the drug was not toxic. Its acetic acid & its conjugate base is acetate. He also practices at the Center for Healing Neurology [1] [2] Contents 1 Open Letters 2 Continuing education credit video 3 Clinic location 4 Talks and interviews I will say it has helped me the most with my pain and I was up to 500mg morphine equivalents!! so a months worth would be $1000. Thanks. BenaGene has the high dose OAA for ME/CFS patients for $499 and requires a physician to prescribe. How exciting. That is, this is the maximum safe daily dose of an existing supplement that can be divided by three. (Improved memory would be a great thing, tbh. The most important thing about the supplement whatever any thinks about it- is whether it helps or not. The concentration of NAD+ is 700 times greater than NADH so if you converted ALL of the NADH in a cell to NAD+ you would only increase the concentration by 0.14%. Thank you! I think there is one recruiting at the Bateman Horne Center at the moment, which has better design. [1,2] IF (and that is a big IF) oral OAA is beneficial then it seems unlikely to be working in the way suggested. I understand it helps fatigue and feeling generally better. Ah, looking closer it seems that this product is not thermally stabilized., I found it using this search term: bulk oxaloacetate. How many ME/CFS experts have gone to such trouble over the past 30 or 40 years? How does one get into that study? It might get better as you went on but you would know within a couple of weeks. Dr. David Kaufman, MD is a Breast Surgery Specialist in Bethpage, NY and has over 40 years of experience in the medical field. C in these capsules. If youre interested, check them out below. You can get a discount if you buy 12 bottles of 30: $499 ($42 each). I hadnt read about the results until today (thank you for this, Cort!) April 15, 2014 Not computerized and it shows. the severily ill), it may have rhythms it may be more pronounced after exertion, it may respond to seasonal changes, diurnal changes, etc. My personal experience is difficult to interpret. Non-medicinal Ingredients: microcrystalline cellulose, sodium stearyl fumarate. We are so lucky to have him here & available to see YOU! It is not intended as medical advice and should be used for informational purposes only. any way we can find out what the wholesale pricing cost is? I have been dealing with ME, for almost 30 years. I tend to be very sensitive to meds and supplements and this is at least a cheaper way to see if I can tolerate this supplement. A defining characteristic of ME is post-exertional malaise (PEM), or post-exertional neuroimmune exhaustion (PENE), which is a notable exacerbation of symptoms brought on by small exertions. About Me Locations Hospitals. What the government and doctors have done to us is so traumatic and uncalled for. Very recently, I was informed that my pain medication will be cut off, if My Physciatist continued my benzodiazepine. 1 pill or even 1/2 at very first). So I doubt that you will be able to find stabilised oxaloacetate anywhere. Id update the old adage thusly: You are what you eat plus what your gut flora produces from that. Ive continued to take the OAA since the study using the free supply from beneGene. And, also thanks to other members providing links/info/cost breakdowns. Thanks for this interesting article, Cort. The average age was 49, 77% were women, and the average duration of disease was 6.1 years. 5. How do you know that? Looking at the bottle for CFS 500mg capsules and 45 in a bottle.. if the best effect was produced on 1000mg 3x a day.. to achieve that 3gram a day dose would i need to buy 4 bottles at $499 for a one month supply? The oxaloacetate Kaufman (Jubilance) used can be found here. Disappointed, but not surprised. IACFS/ME Conference 2021 Pt. Note that I use in vitro above when I meant in vivo. Brain fog. So how could oxaloacetete fit into this picture? The cost of the higher dose, which means taking 20 capsules a day, would be $840-$880 each month. I suffer sleep issue to the exact. On the front of the bottle of oxaloacetate, it states, 90 capsules 500 mg, implying that each capsule contains 500 mg of oxaloacetate. and easier to access, The supplement that is being used in Dr. Kaufmans study does not have vitamin c in it. amzn_assoc_region = "US";
It plays a role in gluconeogenesis, amino acid and fatty acid synthesis, and the Krebs/citric acid cycle that produces most of our energy. I have the same exact complaints with the medical field. False hope esp when you spend so much of your precious savings on a drug like this, is quite damaging. Dr. David Kaufman - Internal Medicine, CA Dr. Nancy Klimas - Immunology, FL Dr. Anthony Komaroff - Internal Medicine, MA Dr. Charles Lapp - Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, NC Dr. Susan Levine - Infectious Disease, NY Dr. Benjamin Natelson - Neurology, NY Dr. Daniel Peterson - Internal Medicine, NV Dr. Richard Podell - Internal Medicine, NJ Required fields are marked *. PubChem ID is the same for both Benegene original & AOR descriptions of oxaloacetate, and both are synonyms of oxalaacetic acid: Original: anhydrous Enol-Oxaloacetate Hopefully, if this supplement has a real beneficial effect, increased interest in the product will eventually bring the price down. Your physician/health professional can contact us directly for pricing.. I remember reading that some who had cosmetic fillers put in, experience similar. So a great disappointment. Any recent news or results from people taking this? Different source /manufacturing processes. It is not clear to me if subcutaneous injections are adequate or if intravenous would be required. He's also the former Medical Director of the Open Medicine Institute. Im much more interested in what Dr. Davis and Stanford are researching than some uber-overpriced dietary supplement that has no proof it is even penetrating cell walls. And, I dont see any financial assistance programs on Benegenes site like youd find with a pharma company. The expense of the supplement would also make the use of controls that much more important because if positive results were obtained then telling people about them would drive many many people to buy the supplements. Id really welcome any update Cort once the proper trial yields results. To me, the more important question is whether all these commercial products are composed of OAA (ChEBI:16452) or enol-OAA. My concern is this article titled Oxaloacetate Shenanigans https://psblab.org/?p=618 where Dr Brookes states that non-esterified OAA at a low external concentration will not get into cells, and unfortunately thats where the MDH enzyme (required for the claimed mechanism-of-action) is located. Dr. Kaufmann is a member of the American Association of Neurological Surgeons, the Congress of Neurological Surgeons and the Pennsylvania Neurosurgical Society. Dr. K set up the trial in collaboration with the owner of the company that manufactures it as beneGene, Alan Cash. We are aware of Health Rising and familiar with Dr. Kaufmans involvement with the CFS community. I believe that my long experience with HIV and related viral diseases as well as general internal medicine gives me a valuable perspective on the approach to and management of chronic fatigue syndrome. Scared in pain and losing it! I am also a former patient of Dr Kaufmans and I think he is a really good and kind doctor. The issue needs to be addressed NOW! Matter of fact, the Alzheimers study was a dud. (833) 833-3333. (Side note: coenzyme-A is involved in multiple steps, so might be significant). I can see the difference in the last 30 yrs for sure and I look for it to get worse, unfortunately. Veggie Capsule. I agree change must happen now. I purchased a bottle and will be starting them this morning. Unfortunately, for me, this makes me skeptical about the usefulness of this supplement. Health Risings fourth IACFS/ME conference overview is also its fifth in a series on possible mitochondrial enhancers in chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) and fibromyalgia. 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