In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. The magazine has a blued tube and aluminum base. The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied Checkered walnut grips are not numbered. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. Choose whether you want the sealed, opened box, or the marking stamp. Abtlg. Description. collar slot aligned and properly threaded, leaving a proper space allowing the A 1925 dated report of the IMKK notes noncompliance and Not in the news1 million cops flawlessly protected you Life in the Third Reich & Weimar Republic, Kriegsmarine surface ships and Kriegsmarine in general, Luftwaffe air units and Luftwaffe in general, German Strategy & General German Military Discussion, NSDAP, other party organizations & Government, The Dieter Zinke Axis Biographical Research Section, The Ron Klages Panzer & other vehicles Section, Panzer & other vehicles - Photo threads, Axis Documents, Feldpost numbers, Postcards & Other Paper Items, The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, The Allies and the Neutral States in general, German Colonies and Overseas Expeditions, The end of the Ottoman Empire 1908-1923, Translation help: Breaking the Sound Barrier. But there is a very great difference: Gestapo was German, working in enemy-country. That is not to say that the use of the converted LP.08 holsters were subsequently discontinued with the introduction of the new style police holsters, but could have been used into the early The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. 19-172 text caption. Pictured is another variation 1 style police S. B. As a matter of note the police cleaning rod could be used without the barrel attached muzzle protector. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. Nevertheless, cut-back artillery Luger holsters are inexplicably associated with the new police cleaning rods and appears self-evident that possibly, some of the new design police cleaning rods with brass stops were carried in the attached cleaning rod pouches of the converted LP.08 artillery to police holsters, and they also could be found in police stations. document.write(''). 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced. Faint illegible ink stamp inside the flap (Zeitz?). A 108 is found in the upper right backside corner, what could be considered a Police serial marking? The wooden cased German pistol cleaning kits were, apparently, not made exclusively for the P.08 Luger as a 1946 German police instruction manual titled: Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946 specifically lists several pistols, including the P.08, although other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, all used by the German Police after WW2. Berlin government dissolved the Einwohnerwehr. Apparently, there are other, period German Police Luger wooden box cleaning kits, another example being REINIGUNGSGERTFR PISTOLE = POLIZEI BADEN = although it is not clear as to the date of manufacture is pre or post 1945 as the state of Baden existed prior to 1945 and it wasnt until 1946 that the state of Wurternberg-Baden was formed. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. Pistols and Holsters. 3 5 in Book II, Police Chief Baetsch, Ministry of the Interior, kindly supported me, for which I would like to express my warmest thanks to him. Pictured is the holster used with the 1950s Bahnpolizei FN 1922 pistol, separate and together with pistol. (BSP) (Railway Protection Police) as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap being BAHN SCHUTZ and RBD/Rbd (ReichsBahnDirektionen) ESSEN (RUHR). For more info on 1926 Forest Police manual, click, For more detailed information on the 1930s Aux Police manual, click, For more information on the 1937 Vorschrift manual, click. $2,535.00 Compare ERFURT 1918 MILITARY - D13019 Signed & Numbered by both authors. An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size of either of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. 4 days Left 18th Century Wooden Box with Brass Handle. 1014 stamped on the back side along with an Eagle/Mg10 stamping, considered by Luger collectors to be rare on holsters, particularly on Police Luger holsters. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.G. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in Diese Frwgungen mssen die Grundlage fr die Uusbildung des Polizeibeamten bilden. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued the two-piece muzzle protector assembly over the barrel sight band/blade, then It was initially issued to the Imperial German Army during WW1, was reworked by the police, and was issued to the Nazi police force during WW2. The bayonets are interesting, as most were produced during the 1920s during the Weimar period. As an example, a major Luger dealer, who occasionally offers rural police groups: The Einwohnerwehr was a paramilitary police force formed by View First Unread . Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. Due to the different design of the variation 1 muzzle protector this particular interference issue is not encountered. These cut-back, modified/converted artillery LP.08 holsters are discussed in Weimar Lugers by J. The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." As always, I'm not responsible for any inaccuracies in the data, just for In actuality, both above statements are correct, as the first statement that a majority of the cut-back LP.08 holsters used by the police are without a police cleaning rod is accurate, however, in cannot be denied that some, at least one, in this instance, was modified (unsuccessfully), specifically to carry the police cleaning rod as evidenced the very rare subject example. 1918 Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin cut-back artillery to police holster, Luger holstered s/n 5008. Luger wooden box cleaning kit Army, Navy, Police. The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter. feared that an expanded police force would become a ready reserve for the Police unit marked on the back is S.B.13.435 (Municipal Police, Berlin unit 13) as described by the seller. All of the blank toggle guns are reported as Police guns. 5.6 (Cleaning Kit 34) pictured (Fig. German military and police units, one can sometimes derive some Additionally, by restricting the insertion of the cleaning rod end, with affixed Reinigungsgdocht[6] or cleaning wick flush to the chamber face, prevents it from becoming detached, which could happen with a longer cleaning rod extending beyond the barrel/receiver chamber face. Additionally perplexing and unclear is the reason or purpose for a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster. Can anyone tell me what the Me. Apparently, as to whether to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and or cover flap of a cut-back Artillery to Police holster to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is necessary, all depends on the availability multiple makers of used and unused WW1 Artillery holsters to different Artillery holster leather makers in 1920s Germany that were available to a host of leather craftsmen to be refurbished for Police use. Army, Navy, Police, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. they are found. and - S. H. 133. are hidden, being located under the cover flap, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s are prominently marked. Even though considerably outnumbered, the Riff inflicted nearly six times the number of casualties on the Spanish and French than they suffered. the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei, Berlin 1924. Chapter 4 3rd Reich Police Lugers Chapter 5 DDR Deutsche Volkspolizei (People's Police) Lugers a complete catalog of Police Luger Markings The book has . Another vexing issue is Weimar photos that shows groups of NCO Police with a mix of ordinary belt buckles and rectangular box style Weimar Prussian eagles and other Weimar Police photos of what looks to be all NCO personnel with ordinary belt buckles, suggesting the vast majority of Weimar era Police wore plain belt buckles. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. Open Fullscreen Lot 3320: DWM Blank Chamber Police Luger Rig with Prussian Unit Markings Mauser Blank Chamber 1933 Police Sneak Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Unit Markings, 1933 Dated Police Holster, and Extra Magazine Auction Date: December 11, 2022 Estimated Price: $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping Pictured above are two books, Band I or Volume I It is interesting to note however that no pistols having a blank toggle and the 'v' suffix have been reported so far. A community dedicated to Lugers, Central Powers, Axis, Allied and related WW-I and WW-II pistols by their scholars, collectors, owners and enthusiasts. -techn. Click here for English translation. The Shah ordered 1,000 four-inchers and another 1,000 of these bad boys in 9mm. 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced, both with the intent of identifying the markings. DWM Luger Identification Guide. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force were ammended in Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: official guide for Prussian police officers. of "P". The lower of the two (brass) studs is not an original German stud. When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. Borchardt-Luger - produced 1895-1896. It is interesting that the well-known Luger dealer that sold the Sturgess cut-back LP.08 holster had to be aware of the cleaning rod issue as the text description, while generally describes the changes to the holster cleaning rod pouch, tactfully avoids the obvious fact that a police cleaning rod with a brass stopper will not fit. Bavarian Police Defense Force (Polizeiwehr Bayern), While the vast majority of Landjgerei-marked Lugers are 29 DWMs as noted, there is a small percentage of dated Imperial-era Lugers with these markings. out and what appears to be a Nazi issue number 522 added to the scabbard metal throat and bayonet handle cross-bar. circumference edge, circular collar past the sight block/blade, the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked S.B. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. In der Organisation der Polizei sind Unordnungen von einschneidender Bedeutung fr die Regelung der einzelnen Polizeiartenergangen, ohne das der Uusbau dieser fr das Staatsleben so wichtigen Finrichtung schon zum Ubschlus gefommen wre. the 1374v. Additionally, it seems incongruous that a 1920s post WW1 manufacture brass stud was added or replaced when clearly period correct brass studs were available as attested by the added brass stud, while the apparent goal was to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and cover flap to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the lower replaced brass stud would clearly interfere with the insertion of a Police cleaning rod. Approximately 3,000 produced. Thanks to everyone who has added to this excellent and informative thread. The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. Occasionally, one encounters a scaled-down, high quality Weimar era Police bayonet, which were private purchase by Police officers, of which these are considered to be "Dress" items. FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. One of the belt loops appears to be replaced. Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. Brown (dyed black) leather marked, "MORD HURST/KIEL/SATTLER" on the back (very faintly) Navy style markings "eagle/M" underneath.. A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. the new police cleaning rod with brass stopper. "Jt" being the abbreviation for the Ingolstadt HZa. Mge auch die zweite Uuslage jedem Polizeibeamten weiterhin ein gutter Fhrer auf dem schwierigen Gebiete des polizeilichen Missens sein. The lower attachment of the left belt loop has been crudely reinforced with wire, probably while in service. edge of the barrel sight band/block. Each state (Pomerania, Prussia, Silesia, etc.) 11-17-2022 12:57 PM by Pistol. It is assumed that at the time of the conversion the holster was still brown. Edward Tinker. Additionally, pictured below are pages 94 and 95 of WOL showing an early supply poof E/HZa.JL.16, two army equipment depot proofs E/HZA.J.L.3 and HZA.JL.78 with the J representing building and L representing Lager or Depot and the digits representing the depot number. var links=new Array() ----------------------------------------------------------- page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------. Der Mangel an einschlgigen Fachbchern ift oft betlagt worden. The blade was shortened from 17 inches to 13 inches. Polizei-Verwaltung Halle A/S.=Police Administration Halle A/S. It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. I agree with Pat on the PTV marking. It has a 100mm (4") barrel, is modified as a police issue with a sear and magazine safety, plus it has a police unit identification markings. That will teach me not to depend on my memory! Pictured for comparison are examples 1 and 2. It is the Eagle/Mg10 stamping that requires explanation. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. Over all good condition. regulations issued in 1930, and are shown in the following table. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.H. equipment during the Imperial and Weimar eras. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. $500. The 662V serial number described in the text caption was substituted with 873V. Berlin police group. Maybe it was a rework from the 20's or 30's. The Simson proofs. This holster was used in the NAZI era as indicated by the holster body Eagle/Swastika stamp. Pictured is a brown leather 1937 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled B Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. Has been dyed black long ago. Pictured is a 1943 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN police holster with a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. The German purpose about HIPO was clear: To help Gestapo as a Danish helping-police. 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. Clearly identified on the facing edge holster spine is a period artillery Luger cleaning rod pouch with brass stud and leather slit cover flap. Some of the Police guns are reported with DWM toggles; these do not appear in any recognizable pattern. Still further states: Reportedly, muzzle protectors were issued with some Prussian State Police Lugers. In the TBLAP, Fig. The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols book publications picture and describe cut-back artillery Luger holsters as specifically modified for police Luger carry, there are no Luger book published, period pictures of German Police with a cut-back artillery Luger holster, nor with any standard, non-police P.08 type Luger holster. Tim. Hard to find historic variation. $500. Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris. The eagle in front is the type of the Weimar era and was in use from 1919 - 1939. The ERMA variation 2 unit also uses a when raising the height of the cleaning rod pouch sleeve by adding a piece of leather, at the time simply removed or did not add the lower brass stud, extending the longer section, lower leather piece to where it covered the existing brass stud location. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. HIPO as well as Gestapo had their informers. While lacking a rear horizontal stitch line, the holster body cavity rear panel is secured at the lower edge by the lower belt loop stitching. These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. officially discontinued. Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster with an under-the-cover flap, ink stamped maker in three lines: Koffer- u. Lederwarghnfabrik ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz or Holster and Leather Goods Factory ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz. The first toggle link is marked with the Mauser Commercial Banner Code. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. by Igorak89 09 May 2016, 18:58, Post Numbers are matching except for firing pin. This example is a very rare 1943 dated military contract piece in 9mm, one of just 300 produced that year. Only one other example has ever been documented. Luger wooden box cleaning kit. The Fraktur font originated sometime in the 16th century and was then widely used on most documents and written works. Goering kept them under control of the Luftwaffe Air Ministry while all other Werkschutz units were controlled by the Ordnungspolizei. Brass stud added to the (cover) flap, additional brass stud added to the cleaning rod pouch. Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. Apparently, all post 1926 police style holsters were not made exclusively for the German Police as unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. Please help me with identifying those markings. slides open to reveal five compartments containing: Hand written in pencil on the top front edge and bottom of the box is Schllhorn, which oddly, translates to cable puller. In Berlin, the German Police screwed the barrels out and replaced them with 9 mm barrels. 05-24-2021 12:04 AM by Neil Young. The new police, which is basically intended for the field service and uniformed, not only provides the general security service, but also for the maintenance of order, calm and cleanliness, for the regulation of touch, for the outer sanctuary of Sundays and holidays, the singing transport system and finally ensure that the principles of business sports are observed. Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. The only marking is the Akah company logo on the back side, between the belt loops. Simson & Company - Suhl, Germany&break;4. or Leder Zuweisungs Amt (Leather Allocation Office) over a Prussian Eagle over J. Berlin. ad[4]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/oldbrigade.jpg'; DWM "1920" Date Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig Fixed sights, with "1920" on the chamber, Weimar-era proofs on the barrel and receiver, and a pair of police safeties installed (sear safety present but weak, magazine safety disabled). The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." The initials MG represent machine gun and the number being (page 108) 10th Training Corps or (page 216) with the 10 denoting the team number. Decoding these proof marks is very useful in determining the age and history of the gun. As to the luftamt I do not know, but the Army HZa's still equipped the Luftwaffe and Waffen SS, so it makes sense. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. 1074." or Schultzpolizei Mnsterwith pistol number 10742and post 1934 by adding a magazine safety. Still 1993, page 174, Figure 45a, the below pictured holster is an LOB example of the first style, first pattern, pre 1925 new manufacture Weimar era, unmarked police holster. Inter-war Commercial Lugers (both rework and new manufacture); all Police models (both rework and new manufacture); and all Dutch and Finnish Lugers are of particular interest. Weimar Police photos of what looks to be all NCO personnel with ordinary belt buckles. the center Police officer with a white colored belt. 3 5 im Buch II hat mich herr Polizeihauptmann Baetsch, Ministerium des Innern, in liebenswrdigster Meise unterstutzt, wosr ich ihm an dieser Stelle meinen herzlichsten Dant ausspreche. Additionally, based on It is interesting to note that this is the only published example of a Schutzpolizei Hannover Police holster so marked. Bild (picture) 102-00327A Foto: o .Ang. The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. 3 Arming Weimar Germany, including Weimar Police Lugers, the Sear Safety, the Magazine Safety, profiles of Weimar Police Lugers, Police holsters, Police Magazines and Police tools & miscellaneous. There is one other cut-back artillery LP.08 holster converted to a P.08 similar style holster, except that it is unmarked and, as such, cannot be associated with police use. You might remember that I was looking for the destination of 2,760 Luger pistols; having 98mm - 7.65mm barrels that came from Berlin to Oberndorf. View 1 and view 2. Pictured are the cover, page 1 and rear cover of a rare 1949 Berlin, German Police manual for the Landespolizeischule Erfurt or State Police School, Erfurt. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- subcommissions and left Germany during January 1927. collar assembly to be aligned with forward main Hierdurch werden die jungen Polizeibeamten vor neue Uufgaben bgestellt, die sich um so schwieriger erweisen, als die neue Polizei nicht nur die Gesahren politischer und wirtschastlicher Kmpse abwehren, sondern vor allem ihrer eigentlichen frheren Tatigfeit zugesuhrt werden foll. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. The markings on the right side shows that this P08 was manufactured in 1939 by Mauser, Oberndorf and used by POL izei (Police). 351 pages. Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 14,000 Price Realized: Outstanding World War II Nazi 1941 Dated Single Digit Serial Number 3y Mauser Banner Eagle/L Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol with Two Matching Magazines and 1941 Dated Police Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue It is speculated that the shift was also motivated by the need to communicate with occupied territories during WW2 and the use of Fraktur would inhibit that communication. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The post WW2 German Railway system apparently still required police protection as evidenced by the subject pictured FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly, Bahnpolizei (Railway Police) U.S. The last numbers on the line indicate the item number of the item that was These bayonets were carried by all Police, and since Germany was a Police State, there were a lot of them. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on German weapons and equipment until 1937 This is German WWI Naval crown m marked on the left receiver. 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